Northern Copperhead Bite
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Northern Copperhead Bite
My Experience
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Leo Spinner
Owner | SkinAndScales.net
It was the end of June 2008 and I had three of my boys age 12, 13 and 15 down visiting from Cape-Cod, Mass., for a snake hunt in North Eastern Pennsylvania. It was early morning about 8:30 a.m., and it had rained the night before. The weather was overcast with temps in the mid-eighties. It was perfect weather to herp.
We had arrived at one of my sure thing spots on the side of a mountain, alongside railroad tracks and within ten minutes we were to have already found several snakes. The excitement of the day began when only a couple of minutes from the car Morgan spotted an adult male Eastern Hognose lying right out in the open on the gravel with which the tracks lay upon.
Moments later our day rolled into two Northern Copperheads, an adult Eastern Garter Snake, a gravid Five Lined Skink, an adult female Black Ratsnake which was clearly gravid and a beautiful adult Timber Rattlesnake, as predicted. This was proving to be a perfect day in the field.
A few yards up the track my son Mario alerts the rest of us that he has found another Copperhead peering from beneath a large flat rock which lay against a mound of coal dust.
Well versed in snake hunting at such an early age, Mario knew not to disturb the snake or create much activity in the area until the rest of us arrived at the location.
With a philosophy that all things are an educational experience, we spoke as a group and worked out the best plan of action to make the most out of the find.
We all looked carefully around the edges of this rock to be sure there were no other snakes resting just out of view which may put one of us in danger. I decided to gently lift the rock backwards while 15 year old Leo carefully manipulated the snake into the open. Mario and Morgan placed themselves strategically in the event that the snake were to decide to make a quick break in one direction or another.
As I lifted the rock I exposed the gorgeous and rather large at 2 1/2 feet bright orange Northern Copperhead. Its colors seemed so intense against the black coal dust which was all around. At first the gravid female snake lay still, obviously taken by surprise by her sudden exposure to the daylight.
Leo proceeded to gently hook her and pull her away from the rock. The second that hook touched her body, the snake was off like lightning in a direction which was uncovered by any of us!
Still holding this large rock back with my left hand, I instinctively and wrecklessly (Yep, I admit it) reached down and grabbed the Copperhead by the tip of the tail in an effort to just pull it back enough for Leo to move in and hook it. I believe in the same moment that I reached for her tail, she had decided to change direction and her mouth was instantly wrapped around my finger. I then recieved two fangs into my knuckle and a full envenomation. It was instant and intense pain, not unlike that of a wasp sting.
She didn't bite and release; she had bitten and held on long enough for me to lift her from the ground. I'm not sure if maybe the area she made contact with had caused her to become stuck or not, but she didn't let me loose right away. A moment later, the snake dropped to the ground and Leo contained her.
Within less than a minute my index finger was swollen completely from the base to the tip, swollen to the point where it looked white from the blood being pushed from it.
My boys were not shaken at all by the event. Though I had never been bitten by a venomous snake even after 30 years of working with them, the boys had grown up around these animals and knew the worst case scenarios.
Knowing that Copperhead envenomations were rarely severe, I thought about continuing the snake hunt. I didn't want to let my boys down and it was a great day for what we were doing! However, within less than ten minutes now, my hand had swollen to the size of a softball and I realized I may be having an unusual allergic reaction to the bite.
The pain became excruciating rather quickly and it felt as if the pain was radiating outwards from within my bones to the surface of my skin.
I decided that I would stop at the first house that had a vehicle in the driveway as I knew we were in a pretty remote area and had no idea where to find a hospital. [Editor's Note: This is a good reason to use a GPS with built-in nearest Hospital and route data.]
After driving for about ten minutes we came upon a house and the home owner greeted us with kindness. As it turned out, her son worked for an ambulance service so within a half hour of dispatch, an ambulance was on the scene.
The attendants were clearly not very well educated with knowledge of snake bite. Although very nice, one of the attendants began to explain to me that there was a good chance that I was going to die from this bite and that the Northern Copperhead was considerably more deadly (as he put it) than Pennsylvania's only other native venomous snake from the eastern area of the state, the Timber Rattlesnake. I just kept quiet and let him go on about it, I wasn't really in a mood to be talking facts with him at this point. Although my kids were holding back laughter at some of his stories.
Throughout the ride to the hospital which took just about an hour at 90 miles per hour, my vitals were monitored and I was offered but decided to refuse pain meds. I personally prefer not to take meds unless I really can't take the pain. By the time I reached the emergency room about an hour and forty five minutes after envenomation, my arm was swollen to my elbow and the pain followed the swelling, radiating up the length of my arm and feeling even more intense within my joints.
To my surprise, I was greeted like a celebrity at the hospital. There were many residents, doctors and interns waiting to view the bite and hear my story. Several people throughout this ordeal had asked me if it had happened at a Rattlesnake round-up which apparently is well known in the area.
Anyway, apparently my snakebite was one of only two that this hospital had ever seen, the other having been a Timber Rattlesnake. I thought it seemed unusual that in an area where Timber Rattlesnakes and Copperheads are so common, the hospital had only treated a couple of bites. I later learned from talking to local people that its not unusual for people in remote areas of Pennsylyvania to stay at home and avoid treating their snakebites. Money may play a key role in this behavior.
Anyway, by the time I had been admitted to the hospital, my pain was to the point where the doctors had me on a Morphine IV through which I could still feel the pain. I learned that the doctors had been online for quite some time researching copperhead bites and how to deal with them. My official doctor came in and explained to me that he would not administer antivenin because the one other time he had tried it, the patient almost died from shock (his exact words.) This was for a Timber Rattlesnake bite. I didn't mention it at the time because I was overwhelmed with pain, but I would think that they would have at least performed a scratch test to see if I was allergic to the antivenin, but whatever. [Editor's Note: Time to call 87-SERP-DRUG!]
During this whole experience, my entire body felt completely normal and totally uneffected by the snake bite except the areas in my right hand and arm which were obviously effected and swollen. I had no headaches, no nausea and no difficulty in breathing. I was able to function biologically 100% and remember even when I was at my peak of pain thinking, "Man, that intern is hot!"
I stayed the night in the hospital for observation. By 9 p.m., my arm was swollen to my shoulder and down the right side of my body as far down as my groin. It felt as if I had water beneath my skin and it moved like water when I moved parts of my body. I remember while urinating that there was an extraordinarily strong odor which smelled like latex rubber. I don't know if this was a direct effect of the bite or most likely from the morphine.
I was able to press against my hand and leave indentations in the swelling that would only disappear after an hours time.
Bloody, serum filled blisters appeared on my bitten finger during the night and if I refrained from having my arm elevated, the swelling and pain would intensify ten fold. My veins and arteries on the affected hand looked to be collapsed and formed channels across my arm where they were once pronounced outwards. When I tried to stretch my arm into a straightened position over the course of weeks to follow, it felt like individual muscle strands were stretched to peak and were about to snap.
I was a slave to my swollen arm for the next two weeks until it had subsided enough for me to function with my arm at a normal level. As of this writing, it has been a month and a half now since my Copperhead bite and my bitten finger is still swollen. I have motion in the finger but cannot straighten it out completely, nor can I fold it downwards completely. The pain however is gone.
The blisters had been left alone and eventually absorbed back into my finger and the dried outer skin peeled off. I still have pain in my elbow joint when I lift anything relatively heavy.
Respectfully speaking, I am not regretful of the bite. It has been a learning experience, and I would be lying if I didn't say that somewhere inside of me I had harbored a morbid curiosity of experiencing a bite so I would have a better understanding of what many others have been through, and a better understanding of my chosen field. Once is enough though.
Thanks for reading and if you would like more info or to see photos, post here or e-mail skinscales@Yahoo.com
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by Crotalusssp on September 4, 2008
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Thanks for sharing your story. Sometimes Copper's do not get enough respect with regards to envenomation. It is true you are unlikely to die, but should not be taken lightly. If you could email a few more pictures I would appreciate it. I am a biology teacher and show snake bite photos from time to time while I am trying to educate and dispel myths of snakes. I try educate my students, who come from rural South Carolina, about snakes and their important role in the environment. Most have grown up hearing nothing but that old saying, "The only good snake, is a dead one.". In teaching them about snakes important role, I do however show them bite photos to discourage careless behavior. Respect and enjoy from afar is what I tell them. Thanks again.
Charles
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by SnakebiteLady on September 5, 2008
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I got bitten by a copperhead middle of July (7 weeks ago) on the thumb, and my experience was much the same as yours. We took pictures every day for the first couple of weeks. Even though these snakes are very common around this part of Arkansas, the hospital and doctors seemed pretty clueless. The hospital did not stock the antevenin, which may be due to the cost. I saw somewhere on the net that it is $500 a pop. My thumb (where he bit me) has still got a crusty black scab where my thumb print used to be, and I still have some numbness and nerve damage. From the joint to the tip of my thumb is still swollen! Home remedies like comfrey, aloe, and oil of oregano helped me more than anything the physicians did. You are right about the pain, burning, throbbing, and the nerve pain! Pain pills didnt touch it. Good opportunity to practice meditation though. And I guess we have snake medicine now that we have survived the bite!
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by Crazywolf on September 5, 2008
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i keep copperheads and whatever venomous snakes i can legally keep, i have not been envenomated, there is a 3% part of me that wants to experience envenomation but ofcourse the other 97% of me is like "what are you STUPID?!?!"
my northerns just dropped 3 babies, im more afraid of getting bit by them than i am the adults due to babies not knowing how to control themselves yet
i guess theres no point to my comment, just rambling on
but i do have a question, in the article it says its common for locals to stay at home untreated, not saying i would do this but what would happen if i got bit and never went to the hospital for it?
other than the rare chance of death, whats the worst case scenario? im just recently getting into copperheads and honestly have not researched anything about them until yesterday when i discovered the 3-4 day old babies under the substrate, but what ive been told is you wont die but likely to lose a digit.
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by thenewdisciple on September 5, 2008
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The odds are in your favor that you will not lose a digit, or die. I would say you should go to the hospital though. If anything you can get a subscription to some pretty bad ass pain pills.
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by SnakebiteLady on September 6, 2008
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I can understand the small desire to experience the bite. I was told the biggest risk was infection, so keep oil of oregano on hand and comfrey and you would probably be ok. They did give me a tetanus shot, too. I valued the morphine the most, because the pain was beyond anything I could imagine, but it still hurt a lot even with the morphine.
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by theemojohnm on September 7, 2008
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The Agkistrodon is my favorite genus, and copperheads are some of my favorite species. I have worked with this genus more than anything else. Northern copperhead bites ussually are not bad and CAN go un-treated, but I still highly feel you should go to the hospital. Without treatment even months later sometimes, some strange side effects sometimes show up like stiffness, or even pain again.
My strongest point is however... Unless I read wrong, the locals often times leave Timber Rattlesnake bites un-treated?!!
Copperhead bites may be mild, and can somtimes go untreated, but GO TO THE HOSTPITAL FOR A TIMBER BITE.
Thanks for sharing by the way! Any more photos of the swelling in your arm, or the blister as it progressed? johnmendrola@yahoo.com
Thanks, And Take Care.
~John.
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by JHarrison on September 14, 2008
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All venomous bites should be treated by a Doctor. Infections in snake bite can occur but are only seen in a small number of bites. Usually when you have cut on the bite or have necrotic tissue. No topical solutions will help if you get an infection from a bite. Oral and IV antibiotics are what will be needed if there is an infection. Antibiotics should only be used if you have a known infection.
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by Voided37 on October 2, 2008
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Thanks for sharing your story.
After numerous close calls from proximity to coppers and growing up around them, along with their bite-first-ask-questions-later attitude, and their great camoflage, I figure them to be about a southern boys and girls most dangerous snake. Regardless of their toxicity, IT HURTS!
Sounds like yours wanted to let you know how much it disliked being fooled with! And even though I sympathize with you I also sympathize with the snake!
Sorry about that..to both of ya!
But your very level headed sounding so I'll bet you know what I mean. Most bites occur because someone is disturbing the snake, so I've read...did you learn anything? [Sneaky little laugh..sorry]
Anyhow, again, thanks for sharing and I DO NOT think your pain is funny, quite the contrary.
Steve
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by COBRAMAN on October 4, 2008
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I have to agree with Jim Harrison's reply. No two snakebites are the same, and if for no other reason, go to the hospital for comfort measures and antibiotics. By doing so you may also avoid some unforeseen complications that may be unique to your specific bite.
Ray Hunter
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by granitback on November 17, 2008
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Wow thats crazy. I was bitten by one of my trans pecos copperhead babys about 2 months ago it was alot of pain and dizzyness but after about a week it was all over with. It was my own fault i was given them water and the little guy got me on the hand.
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by Jonsey on December 1, 2008
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Well written article, and one to make people realize the seriousness of copperhead envenomations.
My neighbor was bitten last summer while on a fishing trip, and unfortunately developed complications from the bite resulting in a fasciotomy , a surgical procedure for compartment syndrome, a fancy term describing increasing pressure between muscle layers which does not allow for blood circulation to the affected muscle which can result in tissue death.
Fortunately surgery was successful and he has complete range of motion to his finger.
I am a beginner to the study of venomous reptiles and would appreciate any medical advice on treatment of envenomation, as I am an RN and would be very interested in putting together a presentation for nursing colleagues.
Thanks,
Dave
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by JHarrison on January 24, 2009
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Surgery should rarely be done on snakebite and in the hundreds of copperhead bites I have seen or reviewed none needed surgery. It sounds like this victim was mistreated. Get a second opinion from AZ Poison Control or some other snakebite experts before allowing a doctor to cut on you.
Jim Harrison
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by snakebait67 on February 21, 2009
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what will happen if you dont go to the hospital is the following: massive tissue loss in the area of the bite and around it, second alot of nerve damage,and third, a very possible and very nasty infection... i too keep copper heads and to tell you the truth im 13, i know how to handle these suckers well and have gotten bitten only once... when i was 7 i almost died because i was small and the proportion of size to venom was very unbalanced. but ever since then i have loved these animals more than anything i curntly have 23 snakes and 9 of those are venomous. my collection inculdes 6 copperheads, a coral snake, a dimond back, and a baby Gaboon that i got at a snake show.
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by Bogga on March 24, 2009
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Snakebait67
You mentioned you had a gaboon, where do you live? do you have AV on hand for a bite of this specie?
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by kasey123 on May 11, 2009
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My fiance was bitten by a copperhead 2 days ago on the forearm, and his entire arm has been swollen since. I was just wondering how long we can expect the swelling to last??? Just send me an email to kmdecker10@yahoo.com with the answer... ANYONE!!! Thanks
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by WaffleGuy on June 17, 2009
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One of the biggest risks from envenomation is definitely compartmentalization. Swelling can become severe enough to damage nerves and other tissues, sometimes permanently. There are a LOT of variables and one should get professional medical attention. The Tuscon poison information center, which treats the most rattlesnake bites in the US annually, is a good place to call for expert help. Also their number is easy to remember 1-800-222-1222, they are happy to provide and expert reference for your Doc. Even better, call them while your enroute and tell them what facility you are going to, and they will call ahead and advise the staff (a big tip of the hat to ViperKeeper for publicizing that). There are other good resources posted on this and other sites as well.
A friend of mine here in NC was bitten several weeks ago on the finger while working in his yard by a copperhead. While he had little trouble with the site of the bite and minimal pain; he had huge problems with swelling and compartmentalization for about three days. Fortunately he responded to treatment and is fine now.
If you want to read an account of a nasty bite (from unknown snake) requiring a fasciotomy go here: http://www.ellysnakebitefund.org/The%20Incident.htm
Anyway, I'm glad you are recovering and pain free, I wish you all the best along with a fast and complete recovery.
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by JHarrison on August 1, 2009
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Most if not all the people at Venom Week would disagree with doing surgery on snakebite as it is rarely needed.
Compartment pressures should be measured before any thought of surgery. Out of hundreds of pit viper bites I have seen none had pressures that would need surgery.
Always get a second opinion before having someone do surgery on a snakebite. Poison Control in Arizona is a good place to start.
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by lucky81 on September 12, 2009
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Hello I found your story very interesting and thought you would like to here my unlucky one. On tuesday evening around 9pm September 8th 2009 I was running to my house from my in-laws. I have a shnouzer and he was out in my front yard playing. I thought I would be clever and sprint at him to get a rise out of him. I was in a dead run midway across my yard when it felt like someone hit me in the right foot with a hammer and I was wearing flipflops. I did not stop when I felt the initial pain but continued to my porch where I set down to see what I had done to my foot. I looked and looked to see if I was bleeding and to my suprise there was nothing. I continued into my house where my wife was wtching Television and again I set down and looked my foot over. At this time I was in severe pain and told her that I had did something very bad to my foot. I looked again and seen finanly to perfect blood drops in two holes on the inside of my right foot and new than what had happened. I told my wife "I have been bitten by a snake". She seen the bite and freaked I immediatly took off my belt and wrapped it around my leg just above the knee. I told her to call her dad and tell him to bring a flash light I needed to see what kind of snake it was. I went back outside stepped of my porch to where my dog was and my wife screamed "there it is" I looked down and the copperhead was coming at me and my dog striking I had really pissed this thing off. My first thought was to get the dog off the leash and if need be grab the snake to keep it from bitting my dog. Luckely I got the dog up onto the porch at the same time my father in-law trapped the snake. I usually do not kill snakes escpecially the blacks or timber rats but I have a little girl who plays in the yard and this was a very aggressive snake and I was pissed so it had to go (with me to the hospital). I am amazed at the power off this snakes bite I cannot walk and my foot and leg are very swollen and they are changing very neat colors. I am on very strong antibiotics and pain medication and still wondering what this bite holds for me in the next week or so. I had just cought a 6 foot timber rat a week ago it had 8 rattles and a button and it is by far one of the most beautiful snakes I have seen. I could not imagen what its bite would feel like when this copperhead has felt this way. I am a avid hunter and fisherman and have never almost been bitten and wouldnt you know it I get bit in my own front yard, talk about your luck.
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by Voided37 on September 12, 2009
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Southern coppers are usually where you least expect them AND where you do, in my experience.
They investigate structures it seems especially at sundown and nightfall.
Sorry about your misfortune, [and the snakes], and best wishs for a speedy recovery.
Keep us posted on your outcome please.
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by liliana on September 14, 2009
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about the last paragraph, since i was a teenager deeply
inside i've always wanted to be bited by a bothrops. Now taht i have 28 i see clear that if it had happened, i would be dead for sure. i'm too small to survive a bothrops bite. As you said some peole secretly want to be bited to feel how it is. You're lucky, it was only a copperhead bite... you know it...
lilisean@hotmail.com
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by ward on September 20, 2009
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It is unfortunate that this gentleman was not referred to the only specialty center for envenomations in Central Pennsylvania. The PinnacleHealth Toxicology Center in Harrisburg is staffed by medical toxicologists with decades of experience, based on the latest scientific information available, and has participated in national envenomation studies. Envenomations from Northcentral PA are routinely transferred to our center, usually by helicopter. The pain and residual disability this man suffered can be avoided with knowledgeable and expert treatment. See our website at www.pinnaclehealth.org/toxicology
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by camoyeti on November 29, 2009
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Thanks for sharing your story with all of us here, and needless to say, mild or not, getting hit is still getting hit. I'm a proud owner of a beautiful copperhead, and he's my first HOT, but just because he's New to me, he's still got those old traits of being a snake, and he gets my full attention and respect. Have fun and be safe. Thanks for the story.
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