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by Causus on November 25, 2005
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What is the general husbandry requirements for Crotalus Atrox? All I've got so far is a lot of conflicting info.
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by Cro on November 25, 2005
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Go back and fill in your profile with more information.
Then tell us what kind of conflicting info you have gotten.
JohnZ
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by Cro on November 26, 2005
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Causus: The reason we ask you to fill out more information is to see if your have some experience keeping venomous reptiles in the first place.
You spelled Crotalus Atrox instead of Crotalus atrox, and this suggest that you do not know much about Scientific Names. Perhaps it was just a typo, but to many here it would tend to suggest that you are not real experienced with reptiles. Because of that, they will be reluctant to suggest any information about you keeping venomous snakes. Let us know a little more about your age, and what animals you have had experience with, and you will probably find many here willing to help. JohnZ
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by idioteque4444 on November 26, 2005
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Hey John. I was just curious as to why correct spelling and capitaization are possible indications that a person might or might not be an experienced venomous keeper. I have seen you post on alot of forums and mispell plenty of words. I doubt that this means that you are an inexperienced speller, but instead, have created a typo and still have gotten your point across. Personally, I don't like using latin names for my animals. Does this mean that I am inexperienced? With the exception of some people such as yourself, Al Cortiz, Hank Molt, etc, who have been keeping "hots" for many years, it is just a way to show off what you know, or read in some book. I feel that my knowledge is pretty good on reptiles and it has nothing to do with what names I know or don't know. I see alot of people slamming others for their possible knowledge or lack there of on this hobby that we are all passionate about. And, I keep looking back to something that I think Al or Karl Betz said a while back. If someone(an inexperienced keeper) is looking to you(an experienced keeper) for some advice or knowledge, why not just give them what they want instead of questioning their experience. Chances are they will continue to keep venomous whether or not you feel they should. So, why not use your experience and knowledge to help them from a possible wrong doing and a painful hit from a CrOtAlUs AtRoX. I hope I have not offended anyone with this post, as it was not my intention. I just feel that too many people are a liitle ridiculous about the latin name thing. Lets face it, I'm sure in the eyes of God, none of us are experienced on keeping venomous!!!!
Just my thought,
SAL RICCO
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by bush_viper17 on November 26, 2005
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The reason mispelled scientific names is a possible sign that someone may not be ready to keep venomous is because, when we first start learning about snakes we learn the latin names also. At the beginning, you may know the name but not know that the second and sometimes third part of the latin name is lower case, and that could be an indication that you arent experienced. I said "could be." True, it could just be a spelling mistake, but it is better for the person to fill out his profile so that we can all feel more comfortable giving out information about keeping venomous snakes.
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by Phobos on November 26, 2005
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Well..this is interesting! Usually I'm the one ruffling feathers on somebody, welcome to the Diamond Butt Club John...LOL
I think Johns only error was his second post explaining why he requested more information, including the profile info. Sal, had he not posted the second one we would not be having this discussion. Right?
I agree perfect nomenclature and spelling is not a requirement for posting and learning on any website. God knows, my spelling and jargon is not always up to snuff either. Chewing on Cro is not cool either since he basically did what I would have done if I had come across the post first.
This is not a topic for a "Fangs out" discussion now is it? Let's get back to what the origional question was....
Al
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by Cro on November 26, 2005
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Hey Sal: You are right, I am not the worlds best speller. I never claimed to be.
But I do think you are over-reacting just a bit.
I was not my intent to ``slam`` Caucus at all, but to point out to him as to why maybee no one had responded to his question. I asked him nicely a couple of days ago to tell us what kind of conflicting information he had recieved about C. atrox, and to let us know a little more about himself. I got the impression he was a young keeper.
After he did not respond, I tried to explain to him why folks might not be answering his question.
As Jeremy stated, he could be very young, and because of that, what information to give him about keeping venomous snakes has to be taken into consideration.
Wether you care for Scientific Names or not, there are those here who will notice when they are miss-used. Sure, there are some folks who throw them about to show off, but I do not see as much of that these days.
The miss-spelling, wether you like it or not, says something about the anonymous poster. Since there is no information in his profile, it is all we have to go on about him. I would bet that I am not the only one to draw that conclusion from his post.
It has been my observation that if someone has information in their profile that shows that they know some about reptile keeping, that others here are much more likely to answer their questions.
My answer was actually an effort to help him get answers to his question, and to explain to him why people with no information in their profiles often do not get their questions answered.
We like to know who we are talking to, and what the persons experience is. You have to realise that the answer to a question about venomous keeping might just be different to a 13 year old than to an older, more experienced keeper.
It is not only me that has asked posters to provide more information before trying to answer their questions. Al, Chris, Karl, Doug, Kieron, and many others do the same. It is the only way to give an informed answer.
I love trying to help people here, as do many others. But the idea of just blindly answering questions gets kind of old. After all, we are not Google, we are not paid for taking time here to help others, we do it because we like helping others.
Sal, I notice from your profile that you keep many rattlesnakes and have a lot of experience. You could have answered Causus about keeping atrox, but chose not to. Give answering questions here a try for a few months and see how you feel then.
And Causus, as far as keeping Crotalus atrox, we still want to answer your question. It does not matter about your age or experience, it is just to know who is asking the question, and what kind of conflicting advice you have been given, and your experience level. Without that, the most someone can tell you about keeping atrox is:
Use a secure cage, Keep them warm, Give them food and water, They usually eat like pigs, Give them a hide box, Some are nasty tempered, and some are not, They eventually get quite large, and watch out for the sharp end.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by idioteque4444 on November 26, 2005
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John, I may have over-reacted a bit. I apologize for this! I had no intentions on "slamming" you for your response. I see alot of people with no profile info posting in the forum almost on a daily basis. And, with all the scamming going on right now, I have to agree that you never know who you are talking to. I should have took more time to write my comment instead of a quick response and making it seem like a personal attack. As far as to why I had not chose to repsond to the original question is simple. True, I have had some experience with alot of "hots", but I feel in no way am I an expert. I have been keeping reptiles for just about all of my life, and have tons of useless knowledge on them. But, being from New York originally, where venomous is not legal, I have only had hands on experience with "hots" for only a couple of years. I feel I should be asking questions instead of answering them. So, I let the more experienced keepers answer these questions about husbandry, etc. Again, I hope you accept my apology if I have come off the wrong way.
Al, what is the "diamond butt club?
SAL RICCO
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by Cro on November 26, 2005
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Sal: There is no need to apologise. You have a lot of experience, even if you have been keeping hots only a few years, just based on the animals you work with. And all that ``useless information you mentioned`` is actually good stuff, in it helps others who have not acquired that information yet!
Like you stated, when answering questions, the answer can vary, depending on who you are talking to. I have no problem with young folks keeping venomous snakes, as long as they know what they are doing, and have their parents permission, and know the risk. Others here will not say that, for liability reasons, or whatever.
The main fact it that it is difficult to answer some questions without knowing something about the person asking the question. It gets frustrating at times. I think we do not want to encourage a young person to get involved in venomous snakes untill he is ready. For some folks, that is 12 years old, for others, it is 20.
I hope you will ``jump into the forum`` and help us out when you see a topic you are familiar with.
Because, when it comes to Experts, there is No Such Thing As An Expert! The Term is a Fiction!
I do not think anyone here claims to be one. At least, I hope they don`t claim that!
There are some here who have worked with venomous snakes for many years, but we learn new stuff every day! Please, when you see someone asking a question you are knowledgable about, jump in and help out! It will be most appreciated.
Best Regards JohnZ
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