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by martyn on November 27, 2005
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I know that this isnt a venomous question but here in the uk they may be takeing dwarf caimans of the list of dangerous animals . What does everyone think ? do you consider this somthing that is dangerous enough or what ?
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by MoccasinMan on November 27, 2005
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I am basically opposed to government intrusion into public life. It is unusual to see them relax regulation after implementing it in the fist place. These animals do have risk involved in working with them. I just don't see how it is the gov. place to legislate what risks I am allowed to take. I am also a big wave surfer and expeditionary kayaker. I just don't believe I need big brother to judge the risks I take as long as no one else is put at risk. So consider yourself fortunate.
Andrew
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by Rabies on November 27, 2005
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The DWA doesn't care for the welfare of the owner. Its designed so the danger to the public is kept to a minimum and that the animal well being is maintained. The latter is normaly controled by a vet, who at times is completly out of his/her depth!
John
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by MoccasinMan on November 27, 2005
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Just out of curiosity John... How many reptile related injuries have you treated that happened to someone other than the owner? I'd be willing to bet not many. That is not calling your skills or competance into question. It is just that if someone was sloppy enough to let an animal escape the chances of it injuring another person are slim at best. Chances are it disappears and later dies due to its' inability to suvive in your climate. That is why I don't think the government needs to protect us from ourselves. It is a power issue in the name of protecting the public. It sounds noble, but the premise that there is a real threat to the public is not supported by the facts.
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Andrew
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by Rabies on November 28, 2005
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Hi Andrew
Unfortunately I have only given advice on one bite and that was for serum sickness.
The last death caused by an exotic snake bite was a drunken zoo keeper at the end of the 19th century. As far as I'm aware no third party has been bitten by an escaped venomous snake and bites to private keepers is approx 1-2 per year. This may be due to the standards set by the government, that all the enclosures must be soundly structured and locked, and the dedicated room itself is escape proof and locked, ie windows are meshed off all vents are blocked etc. On a personel note, I think if the rest of the US states took a page from Florida a lot of these escapes and silly bites could be prevented. I'm all for people doing what ever they want as long as it does not endanger innocent members of the public.
Unfortunately the government can be extreme as some of you are experiencing in certain states of the US.
John
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by MoccasinMan on November 28, 2005
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Hey John,
I'm glad to hear there have been so few incidents in your area. I live in North Carolina. There has never been a reptile related 3rd party incident here. NC is a large state and is completely regulation free in regards to exotic species... so it hasn't been government intervention that has kept the public safe. Maybe it is the high level of sophistication that NC herpers operate at. Maybe it is some of the factors I cited in my previous post. Personal responsibility can not be legislated... not even by a well intentioned social consceince.
Best Regards,
Andrew
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by Rabies on November 28, 2005
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I have no experience with crocodilians but when you look at the size of some monitors that are available, then yes, dwarf caimans should come off the list. My only concern would be that it would become a show animal for the idiots that like to impress their mates. "hey come and see my alligator/crocodile"
John
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by paleoherp on November 28, 2005
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Hi guys ,
whats going on the list would be :
phalotris lemnniscatus trilineatus.
philodrys olfersii
trachymenis peruvianus
xenodon severus
Whats going of would be :
psamnophis species
boiga dendrophila
And what they are having a think about would be :
dwarf caimans
dwarf crocodiles
anacondas
reticand rock pythons
snapping turtles.
i personally would not like any of the crocodilians of. I have worked with dwarf crocs at chester zoo they are pure evil .
Shaun
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