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Some interseting facts about pit vipers.
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by sasquatch on May 15, 2001
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I have surmised, and now supported with numerous studys, that the evolution of venom was driven by a need to avoid combat.
Interestingly, when a snake is able to bite it's prey and then release, it avoids being bitten or otherwise injured.
A fascinating evolutionary adaptation.
I will periodically post new knowledge such as this, and tidbits of information for you guys. My contribution & hopefully I can help to broaden the general understanding of hot herps.
Happy herping!
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RE: Some interseting facts about pit vipers.
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by Eric on May 15, 2001
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Good point but most arboreals and large bitis do the grab and hold. Even my kaouthias and croatalus do this sometimes....Eric
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RE: Some interseting facts about pit vipers.
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by TIMFRIEDE on May 15, 2001
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Holy shit man, you know a lot. We could use a man here like that. Could you give me the run-down on venom, you know, those alpha and beta toxins in different genera? Do you know anything about toxins and the BBB, verses the NMJ? Any help would be great Bigfoot. Thanks dude, Tim(novice).
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What the hell are you talking about???
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by Jaffo on May 15, 2001
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Everybody knows that venom was evolved as a means to secure prey, period.
Listen Big Foot... You need to step down a level or two, and let those who know teach the masses.
As Eirc has stated, aboreal vipers commonly hold on to their prey, as do Bitis species, and even young rattlesnakes. In fact, there has been studies that have documented rattlesnakes actually holding on to feathered prey so it doesn't fly away. Amazing? Why yes it is... almost as amazing as a sasquatch posting on a forum.
Jaffo
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RE: Some interseting facts about pit vipers.
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by Ken_Harbart on May 15, 2001
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Agreed Eric. Many venomous snakes will grab and hold, exposing themselves to the injuries, somewhat contradicting this hypothesis.
Why is it that I have the image in my mind of a pre-med sophomore walking into a hospital board room and announcing that he is one of the "foremost experts" on internal medicine? Just a thought.
Sasquatch- sit back, relax, and continue to learn. This organization is a great place for you to attain some knowledge. I can assure you that after only seven years, you still have a lot more to learn than you think you know. In that short of a time, you've only just scratched the surface of available knowledge. Expertise is qualified by some degree of each of the following: education (both formal and informal), experience (at seven years, you are still a relative "newbie" to both herpetology and herpetoculture), accomplishments, reputaion, and position.
I'm not attempting to sound harsh, and apologize if it comes accross that way. My only objective is to put things in perspective for you, and hopefully bring you back down to reality.
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I realize that it is threatening for a lot of you.
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by sasquatch on May 15, 2001
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to have someone around who really knows his stuff but that doesn't give you the right to attack me. Should I be shunned because I have taken the time and effort to become an authority on venomous reptiles? I don't look down on those who know less than I do, I simply try to share my knowledge and years of experience with others so that they may some day reach the level of understanding that I have.
As far as venom types, there are two main divisions in pit viper venom. One is hemotoxic, meaning it effects the circulatory system. The other oddly enough, is neurotoxic, which is just a fancy way of saying that the venom effects the nervous system.
These differing types of venom are not species specific believe it or not. Studys have shown that some populations of C. scutulatus have neurotoxic venom, while other populations have hemotoxic venom. Interesting stuff isn't it?
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RE: Now Tim, that wasn't very nice.
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by Ken_Harbart on May 15, 2001
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LMAO, Tim & Jaffo. Being my first time posting here in a long time, I was biting my tongue in my reply. I really don't think I could have said it any better than you guys, though. Thank you for putting a smile on my face!
Springtime seems to be the time for pseudo-experts. I just silenced one on kingsnake that thoguht she was infallible because she was halfway to a zoology degree. A good friend of myself & Nightflight99 refers to these pseudos as "hacks".
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Hey Ken. Good to see ya.
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by Jaffo on May 15, 2001
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Somebody has to knock this beast down before he gives bad info to an impressionable reader.
I would be embarassed to post so big-headed on a public forum.
Damn... 7 years of experiece, and he still doesn't know what I learned in 6 months.
Poor bigfoot.
Jaffo
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by TIMFRIEDE on May 15, 2001
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I'm not threatened Bigfoot. You claim you know a lot, that's cool, some of us do. I asked you a question and you did not give me the answer, why? I don't mind you coming in here and teaching, maybe I can learn. But if you're going to teach and enlighten us, answer my questions. If you can't, don't TEACH. Cheers my friend. Tim. Hey Ken,Jaffo, another great article monkey boy.
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