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Naja kouthia keeping compaired to other najas?
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by mat on January 2, 2005
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i'm just curious here guys?
i am a long way off ever (if ever) keeping any Naja species but...
what are Sulphans like to keep compaired to say monicled or forest cobras?
are they a good hardy species or very delicate?
are they typical cobra temperment or a bit more layed back?
yes a lot of questions but if anyone could spare me the time to answer them i would be most greatfull
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RE: Naja kouthia keeping compaired to other najas?
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by Chance on January 2, 2005
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Suphans are monocled cobras, just a locality color variant. Some keepers say they tend to be more aggressive, some say they get larger (and I have seen a suphan that was nearly 7' in length before), but they are essentially just an off-white kaouthia. As far as comparing them for N. melanoleuca (forest cobra) I don't think you really can make that comparison. Forests are known for their less than flowery temperament, as well as potentially huge sizes (upwards of 9' or more) and semi-arboreal nature. They are very, very dangerous Najas and are NOT to be underestimated.
-Chance
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RE: Naja kouthia keeping compaired to other najas?
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by reticbite on January 2, 2005
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I keep both and my forest cobra's are hell!!!! The forest's will strike at the cage every time and when out of the cage chase open mouthed at me. My monocled's are a laid back cobra in my experience and tend to just shy away.If you decide to keep cobra's train with someone who has different kind's and get your experience down first. A bite from naja could be your last so be carefull.
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by CFoley on January 2, 2005
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Ive kept Naja naja, Naja naja "karachiensis" (sp?), Naja melanoleuca, Naja kaouthia, Naja pallida, and Naja sputatrix.
Forests have definitely been the worst for temperment. To my experience, the kaouthia are fairly laid back, although my most aggressive snake was a juvie kaouthia. My young ones have been worse than the other species Ive worked with. The calmest Naja for me seem to be Naja naja.
I have a male Indian that I would put around my neck if he weren't hot. DO NOT get the wrong idea from that. I still keep handling to a MINIMUM. I use trap boxes, and hooks. I also have tongs ready if needed. He has just never given me any trouble, and only hoods when food is present.
Chris
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by mat on January 3, 2005
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thanks for the replys guys
i didn't know they were a colour variant of the monicaled (so i deff learnt something new there)
so the general opinain is they are a reasonable cobra as a first cobra to have?
PLEASE NOTE i am not intending going straight out and buying any cobra with out a load of experiance with other hots first
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by Chance on January 3, 2005
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Good to hear. I'm not sure what exactly would be a 'best' first true Naja, but in my experience, N. kaouthia would probably be right there near the top of the list, along with N. naja. Of course, the Aspidelaps "cobras" (coral cobras and shield nosed cobras) are all much safer on average than any Naja and can get you used to handling squirmy elapids without the great potential for death like with all true Naja. However, Aspidelaps all stay pretty small and are pretty easy to deal with, unlike most Naja. I always tell someone looking to get a Naja this: get a captive bred and born well-established juvenile, preferably one that you can see and purchase in person at a herp show and hopefully be able to trust the vendor that the snake is for sure feeding. One thing you don't want to do is have to assist or force feed your first cobra.....trust me there...lol. Then, as the old saying goes, you can 'grow with the snake'...learning to read its behavior and anticipate its mood. Just always be careful. Even though they are cobras, they are just snakes, nothing mystical or magical about them, and as such have their limitations, much like you do. On the other hand, they can still very easily put you 6' below ground if you give them the opportunity. Good luck, and be safe.
-Chance
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by mat on January 3, 2005
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thanks Chance :)
am i true im saying that coral cobras can be difficult to keep alive as i was thinking along those lines too
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by Chance on January 3, 2005
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I've never personally kept any Aspidelaps species, but I know a number of people who do/have. They are hardy animals, not like our coral snakes despite the name similarity and the other sometimes-used African common name of 'coral snake' as well. They feed readily on rodents in captivity, don't have any stringent husbandry requirements, and are usually bad aims ;) Not that I'm saying let your guard down. There is a guy on Kingsnake who posts under the name "Jeremy G," posts sometimes here as well as Taipan78 or something like that. He keeps and has bred coral cobras, so if you're interested in getting some first hand accounts, I recommend contacting him. Now that I have officially gotten out of keeping venomous but very much desire to get back into it, if I do, I'll probably get something fairly easy to maintain and not too hot, and Aspidelaps are high up there on the list for me personally.
-Chance
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