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by ian on July 1, 2002
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I found a black widow yesterday while checking my stereo speaker connection on the underside of a speaker in my den. She had an egg sack an all so Its probably a good thing I caught her. I guess what's interesting is that she is patternless. I've caught upwards to 25 widows in the past and this is only the second one that breaks the red hourglass norm. I caught one once that had several red spots also on the top of her abdomen. Anyone else here seen a patternless widow or know how common it is. I assure you she is a black widow, you just don't mistaken them if you are familiar with the species.
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by fizzbob7 on July 1, 2002
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arent there more than one type of widow spider...i know there are 6 different species of recluse spiders...maybe its like that or its a cross breed..i have seen regular and white/yellow spot where the red hourglass is supposed to be..it was actually pretty
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by Chance on July 2, 2002
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I once found a widow that alarmed me greatly. I knew a thing or two about some of the more toxic spiders on Earth, about the funnel-web and the red back, etc. This one had the red hourglass on the underside, AND had the red stripe down the back, just like a redback spider. This particular animal was found here in Arkansas, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't an escaped redback. I know redbacks and widows are all closely related, so who knows. It was probably just a color mutation.
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by TAIPAN78 on July 2, 2002
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Unlesss im mitaken, red backs and Black Widows are the same. I know they are not the same sp but maybe subs of each other. Anyway, yeah, they are basicly the same animal and if you look at most range maps for BLk widows, they encompass all of the world around the equator which includes red back range. Of cource th4ese are probally incorrect but common thinking seems to indicate they are so closely related they are clumped together as the same sp by most layer people.
Jeremy
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by Buzztail1 on July 2, 2002
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Here in Southeastern Georgia/Northeastern Florida we have Southern Black Widows, Red Widows and Brown Widows. I have seen documentation that Red and Brown Widows are not nearly as toxic as Black Widows but am not willing to put flesh to the test.
Karl
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by Charper on July 2, 2002
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Have you seen the widow with the 3 red dots on it's back? I have both the regular Latrodectus mactans and that one. But I have never been able to find any literature that says there is any differentiation.
CH
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by herpgirl on July 4, 2002
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Hi guys,
I live in East Texas. All the widows I have caught have red striping or spotting. In fact, I haven't found one yet that had only an hourglass.
Rebecca : )
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by bitisatrox on July 16, 2002
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yup in C.kentucky the same thing all I have seen, at least have part of a stipe or kind of a broken line that gos about half way up, but some have spots too!!!
then again i have found many spiders that arenot found in books....(or atleast do look like them)
later,
ty
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