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RE: ``We Have Met The Enemy, And He Is Us ! ``
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by timberrattlesnake89 on September 30, 2006
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What I suggest you doing for now on is using some sort of tongs on those mamabas. I believe that is the only safe was of working with a Mamba but maybe thats just me. Using two mini hooks on a mamba is very dangerous and you shouldn't take the risk with a snake that dangerous.
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by timberrattlesnake89 on September 30, 2006
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Ricky,
I do not know about you but I do exactly what I say both infront and behind close doors. Grabbing a water bowl out of a venomous snake's cage is reckless and very stupid unless its in a locked hide box. I always hook my snakes out and stick them in a wooden box just for my venomous snakes. I have had two very close calls. One was I had a baby copperhead that I was try to stick in a contanier on my work table. The snake flew out of the container and nearly droped 4 feet to the ground, to save him I grabbed the tail and then he came up on me so quickly mouth open I was over the table again and droped im back in the container. That was the first and last time that will ever happen.
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by SwampY on September 30, 2006
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"and remember, NO ONE does exactly what they say behind closed doors.....we all do things that aren't 100% smart....."
I agree. I'm guilty of taking occasional shortcuts and making occasional mistakes. Some of them could have been bites. Thankfully they weren't. no human is purfect. [sic]
chad
http://www.envenomated.com
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by rickyduckworth on September 30, 2006
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phillip, i've seen pictures of you holding snakes behind the head for a picture and no other reason.....that is the thing i'm talking about...unneccesary risk.....that's what we ALL take and i'd bet my balls that you do JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE I'VE EVER MET and take on more risk than necessary, for whatever reason......that's fine, i don't care one bit, but to say that you're 100% as safe as you can be is not only arrogant but bad for the hobby.....it's not a good thing for people to think the rest of us are perfect, that's a hard standard to live up to.......i've learned more from others' mistakes than what they did flawlessly.....i learned what NOT to be as a parent by watching my mom and dad, they didn't do a lot correctly.......thing is, because of that, i'm a great parent......that's what humans are, flawed but capable of good in any situation.....a perfect road to "good" is no better than a bumpy road to that same "good"
in this hobby, good is all we're worried about.....they won't right bad stories about good things......sure, chances are that with more risk will be more bad stories......with more "hot herpers" there will be more bad stories.....if EVERYONE was into hots, those bad stories would be worth NOTHING because that shock value is gone
we don't need to keep our little "thing" secret from earth......it needs to grow, people need to know we're imperfect but safe, but they can do BETTER and further this hobby.......i feel like everything we're about right now is basic stuff.....it's all simple and common sense......nothing skilled about it......at all....constantly downing others' methods is just wrong.....there is stupid and unnecessary and right now it's good to avoid it as far as public image goes, but complete discouragement of everything is insane.......just like with EVERYTHING else, some people are born naturals, some will work hard and never get it, and most will be able to safely make do
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by timberrattlesnake89 on October 1, 2006
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Uh Ricky I do not know where you have ever saw me holding a snake behind the head for a picture. I never ever pin any venomous snake unless there is a reason like for medication or whatnot. I am very against holding snakes behind the head just to hold them behind them head. That can hurt the snake and I think that is one of the biggest dangers with venomous snakes. To me I have noticed that when other people pin the snakes head down that seems to piss the snake off even more. If you look at any pictures on my website and there are none that has me holding a snake behind the head. Besides I truthfully will say what I do and now understand some of the mistakes I have made in the past. But I am pretty open and if you ask me a question I will anwser it honestly.
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by Buzztail1 on October 1, 2006
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Well, there are many many ways of looking at all of this.
So let me put some out some groundwork.
Rob Carmichael is a professional with years of experience who shares information here and freely gives his opinions.
Phillip is a high school student who came here a few years ago and has started gaining some experience and also has no problems sharing his opinions.
Michael has had some bad experiences at another website and has developed an opinion that is shared by many young people about "old timers".
To put all of this in perspective, I will start with Michael. The reason we require profiles is so that when asking for help in dealing with your mambas, you know whether you are getting advice from an adult professional or a high school person with limited experience. Am I putting down young people by making that distinction? I don't think so. When I was in high school there was no-one to even ask. I just want people to know who is responding!
Rob is genuinely concerned that young people are able to get deadly animals at a much younger age and much easier than were available when we were young. Does that mean that it is safer now? Absolutely not! Someone posted here not long ago that they had studied a long time before getting something (can't remember exactly what) but the "long time" time frame turned out to be several months. When one of the "old timers" tell you that they have done something for a long time, I bet it will amount to more than a few months or even a few years.
We try to provide a format here where people can share information freely. If you don't like the answers that you get, there are other ways to get information. That doesn't mean that the advice was bad. I, personally, don't like to shut young people out. I discourage keeping venomous snakes for people who are not legally responsible for themselves. That clearly does not deter some young people and so I try to make information available to them so that they don't get themselves killed out of ignorance. Are there older folks who aren't safe? Yes there are.
BUT they are legally responsible for their mistakes and actions.
I will note, a lot of adults have come here and not liked the advice that they got. But, I have yet to see an adult remove their profile as if they were packing up their marbles and taking them home! If a little criticism from someone that you don't know is too much to bear, then breaking into the circles of experienced venomous keepers is going to be sheer pain.
Karl H. Betz
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