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by Chance on May 6, 2008
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Taken from Dr. Bryan Fry's venomdoc.com:
http://venomdoc.com/LD50/LD50men.html
Crotalus scutulatus (Mojave rattlesnake)
LD50 of 0.34 mg/kg
Crotalus tigris (tiger rattlesnake)
LD50 of 0.21 mg/kg
Meaning, the tiger rattlesnake is actually the US's most toxic Crote drop for drop. Of course, as is hashed out time and time again in discussions about the most venomous snake, toxicity and danger aren't always synonymous. No one on record has died from the inland taipan, yet they are arguably the most venomous snake, period. Many people, however, have died in Australia from coastal taipans and common browns, in India from Indian cobras, and in Africa from puff adders and saw-scaled vipers. These animals don't touch the inland taipan's toxicity, but occur frequently enough in populated areas to pose a serious risk to people who live there. Likewise with Mojaves vs. tiger rattlers - people are far more likely to encounter Mojaves around their homes and hiking than the more elusive tiger.
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by Cro on May 6, 2008
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"No one on record has died from the inland taipan, yet they are arguably the most venomous snake, period."
Most likely because the few folks messing with them know how to use a compression bandage, and know where to get Antivenom, or have Antivenom on hand, or are extremely cautious that they do not get bitten.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Chance on May 6, 2008
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Those probably account for the majority of the non-fatal encounters. Also, the fact that almost no one lives in their home range helps.
I have seen some Aussie zoo keepers though who push the limits when working in their cages. I guess it's just a testament to Australia's phenomenal medical treatment system for venomous snake bites!
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by MUFFDADDY2 on May 6, 2008
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thanks you! that is all some very good information! I have been told the most venoumous (toxic) Land snake is the inland tapian..the most venomous snake on the world period is the green olive sea snake?!? also I know all bout most venomous vs deadly are not always the same...IM shocked about no one ever having been recorded as dying form a inland tapain...I have susaly always though that the eastern diamond back is the most toxic AND deadly snake...Interesting about the tiger rattler though...thank you for the information!
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by jared on May 6, 2008
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This is a big topic of discussion, personally the ld50 of a bushmaster isnt that far from a copperhead. The snakes that kill the most people in the world are typically blended right in the middle of the list, sawscale vipers and puff adders, common or banded krait, common cobra, russells viper, B. atrox or asper, toxicity is preformed on mice, not humans. DONT LET THE GAUGE fool u, A bite from an edb or helleri Can end your life, A BITE FROM A COTTON WILL MESS U UP (personal exp) even a less than year old neonate, and that is a HUGE understatement. Mojaves in particular, as with S SC canes, have very nasty bites in general and in personal experience those are species the bites NEVER go well. Check the bite photo log on the site, im sure a mojave is in there somewhere.
Jared
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by jared on May 6, 2008
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Tigris and EDB bites are too others that take nasty turns, dont be fooled by the size of a snake, the coral snake is fairly small (and many sawscales for that matter) but they pack a punch.
Jared
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by MUFFDADDY2 on May 6, 2008
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yeah im very aware of How the most toxic snake in the USA period is the coral snake...but thats not suprisinge becuase its a elapidae? i think i said that right! interesting..does anyone knwo the most venomous animal on earth period? crazy as it sounds its some sorta catipillar with prickly spines found somewhere in south america. people touch a tree accidently with one on it and die immediatly! its "venom" is liek 100,000 more potent than cyanide! I do have alot to learn about hots...and I dont know why people say I dont except information becuase im more than greatful to learn and pass on good information to the ounger herpers adn next generation...they are the future of the hobby! the futture congressmans and mayors, govenors..they will make our laws. I think ill stick to copperheads for starters....My understanding is that, since MODERN MEDICAL records have been taken, noone had lost their life to a SINGLE bite from a SINGLE coppperhead. infact my understand is that it takes about 70mg of copperhead venom to kill a person? is this true?
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by Buzztail1 on May 6, 2008
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Actually, in the past two years, two people have died following bites by US Copperheads.
And while deaths brought on by Copperhead bites may seem rare, they just don't publish the statistics on how many people lose fingers, or use of their entire hand, have fasciotomies that cause them to lose a certain amount of use of the affected limb, etc.
Antivenom is not the cure-all that most people believe it to be.
"Time is tissue" is a very accurate statement when describing a bite from almost every US venomous snake. That means that the longer it takes you to convince your doctor that you do know what you are talking about and that you do know what you were bitten by and that yes, you do need antivenom and that yes the specific antivenom you need is brand X and if he has any questions please call (insert the emergency numbers from your personal protocol booklet here such as Sean Bush, Al Cruz, AZ Poison Bite Center, etc) - the longer that all this takes - the more tissue at the bite site is being dissolved by the venom injected.
That is why it is good to have a few of the old guys like Sean Bush, Al Cruz, Jim Harrison, Chris Harper, etc on your side (and on speed dial in your cell phone) when it comes time to convince that Doctor that you do in fact need treatment.
Personally, I like all my digits where they are and functioning in the proper manner. Therefore I do not offer them within the reach of any venomous snakes for any reason. That is why there are snake hooks and snake tongs and all the other wonderful equipment that is available to us in this modern age.
Just my own personal opinions,
Karl H. Betz
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by agkistrodude on May 7, 2008
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A criminal justice student, In 9 pages between the 2 posts I don't think you've put together a single sentence correctly, and we are supposed to take you seriously? Mabye whne yuo laern ot splle adn spaek teh englsh langauge , yuoll' gte moer peeples reespect. I believe your nothing but a fraud looking for attention, which you have gotten plenty of here, now please kindly go away and waste some other forums space so we can get back to the subject we know and love, venomous reptiles.Thanks, Marty P.S. To those who know better, the couple of videos of yours that I've seen are good comedy, if nothing else, I get a good laugh out of them, the problem is that theres some young people out there who may get hurt or killed after watching them.
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