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IM HERE TO KNWO WHAT TO DO ABOUT ARLINGTON
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by MUFFDADDY2222 on May 11, 2008
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I am going to the hearing...Al and I have made peace (for now at least) to fight a common enemy..is the enemy of my enemy my friend? I care about this community regaurdless of what anyone thinks...that is why I am here..I want to know who going, where we are meeting up, what we will say, ect ect...This is my cellphone (703) 216-9308. anyone going please call me...we need to cordinate our attack...I hope you all really do care about this community becuase if you do not you will just ban me again...Al and I have a angreememnt with ONE THING...regardless of whether or not we like each other, or agree with each other, WE both have a HUGE impact on this community and the Hobby and can reach out to a HUGE amount of people, together our message with reach even more like a (Bill clinton George Bush senior Global warming commercial type deal)...Now whats the plan?
-NICK (not the imposter MUFFDADDY2)
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by jared on May 11, 2008
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From one of the most significant flags in the history of or country "Join or Die". Divided we will fail, together we can work as a team. The equine industry learned this years ago (u think arab handlers give a crap what walker trainers are about?)they have a common interest, and would not be divided.
Jared
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by tigers9 on May 11, 2008
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Muffdaddy, please, this time keep your word and play nice , that includes keeping peace with Al to fight common enemy, AR and scared government; if you get an 'anti Al" relapse, trash your computer please.
Sometimes talking on the phone instead of Email forums also helps to make and keep peace with somebody if things get too far.
Hope the Arl/Co VA hearing will go well and we will prevent another knee jerk reaction ban from happening.
When I have more time, I will work on more statistics to use in the future.I just have animals to take care of, and like owners of this forum, REXANO is in my spare time and my expense too, unlike paid AR for whom being AR (HSUS, PETA) is their paid 9-5 job.
Z
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by tigers9 on May 11, 2008
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hey J.
We have 3 baby bird poster (learn young as a kid) that says that, 'keep parroting, united we stand, divided we fall"
We will make more, time permitting...and also depends how many people will bother to donate the pics, more than one snake in the pic is what is needed... ...HINT HINT HINT
Z
http://www.rexano.org/Posters_JustSayNO/JSN_Gallery.htm
look at lower left, 3 downloadable sizes (look in your lower left on gallery page)
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by MUFFDADDY2222 on May 11, 2008
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WOW WOW WOW! hold the phone...I kept my word about being civil...it was other people that started crap with me, I dont start, But i sure as hell respond...just to let you know....now who is going?
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by MUFFDADDY2222 on May 11, 2008
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We need a realy plan...IM going to speak on not soo much the reptile themsleves but the over all threat to AMERICANS and their rights, and how it is the law makers responscibility to protect our rights as Americans
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by tigers9 on May 11, 2008
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Muffdaddy, MD, u know I do not do well with BS, I and I am fact oriented.
I tried to ‘tame’ u privately, and every time u promised to me to be civil on Experts and leave Al alone, another ‘Muffy’ real or impostor ID appeared here, so please, do NOT disappoint me this time AGAIN as I will NOT take it well this time with VA hearing getting so CLOSE.
Keep your word for a (good/needed) change, be a man and fight for your rights to keep the animals u love and stop fighting fellow animal owners who r NOT a real enemy in a big scheme of things.
Thanks
Z
PS: I was born and raised in eastern Europe, and I am a woman, a political refugee from Communism, trust me, u do not want to piss me off
GRIN
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by MUFFDADDY2222 on May 12, 2008
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OK that sounds fair, but you have to be fair too! again I was being civil until whats his name started messing with my stopinpoppin somethig like that, i was answering his question nicely then he suddenly turned and started calling me human filth...then I gave it back to him, then Al appeared we joined in then I fought Al then some of AL buddies jumped in, then so did some of mine...I want to restate for the recored that I NEVER start BS, I dont liek rap but there is one song by 36 mafia that I love, " NOW ONLY WEAK NI**ERS LIKE TO START BULLSHITTA" lol but seriosuly I wont start anything, but if a group of people are going then we NEED to organize!
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by Phobos on May 12, 2008
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I think Arlington is lost. County Manager is recommending that the BAN is voted in.
The only gambit to play is telling them the law does not make the community any safer, since it will just drive the hobby underground. Violators will only be found, if they're bitten and have to seek treatment or somebody snitches on them. The law in a sense will not be enforceable. It would serve the County better to table the vote till a committee can study allowing a permit system to be established. Any cost basis the county would encounter would be off-set by a permit fee.
We are treating the disease too late in the process when it's "terminal" We need to attack the AR groups before they get the ball rolling, or the ball will run us down like in this case.
BTW: In this case the snitch seems to be a well know "global" herp dealer who has a "bone" to pick with one of his past suppliers who also happens to live in Arlington. The dealer is currently on the side lines because of his own mis-deeds and has take to a "scorched earth" policy. Everybody has an ax to grind with someone but to "Go Nuclear" an ruin it for everyone is uncalled for and must be avoided.
Al
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by tigers9 on May 12, 2008
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Al is right, what is needed is to show the county how they would be hurt if the ban is passed, like underground ‘hidden until bitten’ owners, etc,,,
Is there any big animal show that animal owners could say would boycott the county if ban is passed?... aka, county economy would be hurt.
Any breeder making money that could sue them for property if this is passed? For example if u make say few thousand per year with your snakes , multiply that by how long (30 years) u planned to do that, with this ban county would take away your property/income. Would they compensate you?
From my experience going to many hearings, it is important to stay on topic, often commissioners get pissed when during exotic animal hearing people started talking about mandatory spay and neuter, totally off topic, it annoys the county officials and hurts the cause too.
Also good to coordinate with other animal owners, since you often have only 3 minutes, you all don’t want to repeat yourself.
Back in 2000 before I left WA, AR were big on banning circuses, but until then they only had small cities where they won. This time they went after Seattle, full of easy to convince tree huggers in political offices, and AR wanted to ban Seattle ‘circus’, but when u read the bill it would ban all non AZA animal shows, circus and educational. Seattle would have been a huge win for AR movement; it would have been their first BIG major city.
Most people didn’t get inside the hearing room and had to stand outside, we arrived early and were able to get the seat. The hearing was like ‘who is who in AR world’. There was Wayne Pacelle of HSU$ present (he was not president yet, but was already high ranking in HSUS), then Jane garrison, at the time PETA ‘elephant expert’, and many others.
Feld entertainment’s officials, who owns many circuses were present too.
While our side didn’t coordinate, AR did, they literally read from the script, when one person’s 3 minutes were up, next AR person went to the podium to continue the script reading, that way they told their whole story without repeating.
Seven city commissioners were voting, AR lost 4 to 3, close win for exotic owners?
What was the main thing that caused Felds to win? Money/power/economy.
Felds threatened that if circus ban is passed, they would boycott Seattle with all of their non animals shows as well, like Disney on ice.
That would have hurt the Seattle residents by depriving them of family fun (aka, voters would get pissed at their elected officials) and it would have hurt local economy as well not having many shows in town.
So, how could snake and later on possibly wider exotic animal ban hurt Arlington county’s residents, economy, chance f reelection for current elected officials?
Z
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