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by jared on May 11, 2008
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Anyone cooking up any projects that they are willing to talk about??? I have seen some NICE aberrant copperheads (u know who u are, lemme know when u wanna part w some, i will keep harrassing u until u do lol) in the works (f2s) as well as some other REAL nice aggie projects working ( i hear howardgloydi, and even some russeolus). Anyone else got anything crazy coming up? Al, im sure u have a couple things ur holding back ;)?
Jared
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by Adamanteus70 on May 12, 2008
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Jared,
Crazy projects, definately. Striped, Snow, Axanthic, Patternless, and possibly something else popping out of this project I have going on. Got to wait until the Fall though to see what is born. How are your babies doing?
Paul
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by Phobos on May 12, 2008
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Jared:
I have very little to do with any color morphs in my collection. IMO, these genetically defective animals would not normally survive in a natural environment and wish people would not be breed them. They will weaken the snakes genome in the long run. The only exception is natuarally occuring intergrades.
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by jared on May 12, 2008
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Al, i have been in the field for years, and fyi the howardgloydi and russeolus coming from germany have no morphs and while i am not crazy about zigzags candy canes, albinism is seen on a fairly regular basis in the wild in certain pops (just as melanism in atrox or copperheads) and i can tolerate that. They simply arent seen as adult because most snakes in general are prey species for a large number of raptors, and an albino w eagle eyes can be seen a mile away. As far as intergration is concerned, most copperheads sold in the market exhibit some intergration (i guess this is why they are being knocked back to 2 ssp) and nxs intergration for example occurs from VA all the way down to n alabama. Again, i dont mind some naturally occuring morphs, as long as they are not forced (ie breedin kingsnakes to corns etc). And as we ALL know, it doesnt have to be albino to be a rare project, Dean has done very well breeding "normal" phase blackheads and even lesser ssp of these rare animals.
Jared
Jared
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by jared on May 12, 2008
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Paul, hey the babies are doing great and my little one just had her first shed and took her first mouse. Everyone is doing well, nice to hear about the new projects hope they do well. Thanks again man, c ya at columbia possibly, workin on details now ill keep ya posted.
Jared
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by JSargent on May 12, 2008
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i have had my hypo copperhead with a striped female and a spotted female....i put the pastel's father w/ the mother of the southern hypos(wanna see if he is co-dom)...i put the grey and black male w/ the pinkest female i have(wanna see if he's genetic)....i put Chuck's stripe male w/ a partial stripe female and a nice girl from FL...i think that's it for this years coppers...
i should have baby striped dusky pigmies any day now...
i have a male cane that has been breeding w/ an easternDB female all week...been seeing them locked about every other day....
i bred my albino easternDBs this year also...i think that covers the venomous for this year....
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by Rob_Carmichael on May 14, 2008
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I agree with Al....some of the morphs are pretty neat but I would hate to think of the venomous community going the way of the ball python craze - I'm so tired of people talking in "ball pythonese" because they talk about them in terms of $$$ and most of these folks probably know absolutely nothing about their natural history, etc. But, everyone has the right to enjoy their animals for whatever the reason - just my own philosophy and I've seen things change in somes case for the better (ability to disseminate info and network with fellow herp folks) and in many cases for the worse - reptiles = investments (nothing wrong with making a living at reptiles but I just hate to see all of the emphasis in people's decisions based on which species can make the most money).
We need to get back to enjoying learning about a particular animal, setting it up in a beautiful vivarium, and giving that animal the best quality of life possible.
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
www.girconservation.com
www.robcarmichaelreptiles.com
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by jared on May 14, 2008
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I understand that Rob but not just animals with morphs = invesments or have dollar signs around them. Numerous nonmorph species (ie parviocula, howardgloydi, williardi) are considered "high end" and claim the same amounts of money. Thus, does that necessarily bring the wrong people just because of the price? Again, im not into crazy morphs but again various wild populations exhibit solid melanism, hypos, and rarely pied and albinos. I can deal w those, especially when hikers in Vermont could care less about a pied timber, and i do. They are extrodinary looking, not because of any dollar signs, simply because its unusual. Keep in mind, the species that I have bred the most of (all ssp of NA aggi, and most SA as well) are not worth ANYTHING to most people, heck most vendors give copperheads away. But and amel one would be an incredible site to see IMO. I have spent enough years in the woods to know most of these traits do not last long simply based on predation, i mean think of how many leucistic cottons and albino gators have found there way into a herons bill :( Again , just my opinion
Jared
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by Cro on May 14, 2008
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I care very little for all of the python morphs, and the business that has grown up around breeding them.
However, I think Native Venomous Snake morphs are a lot more interesting. There is a lot about the inheritance of various mutations that we still need to learn. This applies especially to the Native North American Snakes ! I am not talking about the thousands of albino Cobras that are out there on the market.
If you take a 1 in 10,000 albino from the wild, where its chances of survival are almost nil, and put it into a breeding program, you will be possibly able to keep that mutation going into further generations.
It is a rare opportunity for science to learn new things.
If that albino snake produces young that generate a little money for its keeper, that is nice, but in no way will it compensate him for the years and years that it took him to raise that snake to adulthood, and then to breed it with a normal snake of the same species, then produce heterozygus offspring, and then raise the hets to breeding age, to be bred back to their siblings, or the original adult snake, if it is still alive.
You are talking about a multi year, multi dollar commitment. Those of use who keep and breed morphs of Venomous Snakes do it for the love of learning new things, and to just see if we can do it. It is rarely about the money, and if making money is the concern, then you should not be in the Venomous morph business.
Best Regards JohnZ
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