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by ian on July 3, 2001
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OK, I see I got limited responces on my Alligator in SC topic but this is venomous.com isn't it(not dangerouscrocodilians.com). Anyhow, I'm thinking about joining a retail business that imports exotic African art, clothing, and furniture. I thought by incorporating a few reptile displays I could make the theme of this store twice as interesting and exotic. Now, I know the laws of the city: no venomous animals, or exotic animals over 4 ft in length allowed within the city limits. Unfortunately animal control knows less on these laws than I do or should I say fortunately and are as ignorant as can be on the subject of reptile classification. My question is(and its hard to get an answer from local authorities) is this: Is obtaining permits for keeping certain species in the city limit limitied to just educational purposes, is it a matter of money to aquire a permit, or educational background, or all of the above? What about the federally protected american alligator even though its not African. I know I have numerous other species to choose from but some of Africa's best are hot.
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Venomous reptiles/crocodilians as a store gimmick.
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by Buzztail1 on July 3, 2001
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Ian,
I live in Georgia and am not very familiar with any permits that North Carolina might have. However, I do have quite a bit of experience with keeping venomous reptiles. The idea of mixing venomous snake and/or crocodilian exhibits with a store that is open to the general public sounds a little "iffy" at best. At the very least, the insurance required would be astronomical. At the worst, some spoiled kid passing through would throw a tantrum, knock over or break a cage and release a deadly reptile into a store full of customers. And then there are all the "shades of grey" in between like the short life expectancy of all of the reptiles due to the stress caused by the passage of all of those consumers. I would recommend finding another gimmick but all this is just my opinion.
You could try contacting North Carolina Fish and Game to find out about permit requirements.
Just another opinion from Karl
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by viridis on July 3, 2001
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I agree its a little far fetched due to the possible complications of aquiring permits, but your pessimism could be applied to any reptile house at any zoo or to places like the rattlesnake museum in albequrqui New Mexico where you travel through thin hallways viewing various species of rattlesnakes. One would need secure cages in secure out of reach locations to insure saftey. I've seen plenty of cobras that unlike my naja kouthia who has little human contact have mellowed out and appear stress free and don't even hood up b/c they are constantly looked upon at zoos. Remember, there is no reason a few displays at a retail store couldn't be used to broaden the publics eyes and educate.
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by filthy on July 4, 2001
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Hi Ian,
As I'm sure you know, at the state level, you're ok for exotic hots, and almost anything else that is not native to NC, for that matter. You can keep Godzilla and only your neighbors'll care. As for getting city permits, forget animal control and the cops. They seldom know anything at all about it. Go to City Hall and ask for a copy of the law. Then get a lawyer to translate it for you, if necessary - sometimes, these things might as well be written in Sanskrit.
Jeremy tells me that your little Copper is now eating like a pig and beginning to grow rapidly. I think he's posted a pic in the Photo Album.
Wishing luck,
f
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by ian on July 5, 2001
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Good info filthy, but I'm still hessitant. You see I've had animal control at the home and I've seen the law. The law states no venomous animals shall be kept within the city limits. no snake can be over 50 lbs, no caimans over 4 feet, an no exotic animals defined as animals only found in the wild and or at zoos. 90% of the time no one cares or even knows the laws, but it just takes the wrong nosey person snooping to get the city involved so that they may fine me and make money. On the bright side I took a gaboon and rhino viper as well as an albino burmese and alligator to house of Africa yesterday and got constant positive reactions. Hell, I even ended up in the paper today. I must have educated 20+ people in a mere hour. They were asking locality, the difference between crocodiles and alligators and all kinds of other questions. Incorporating animals to retail for educational purposes as well as an extention to an exotic theme to promote the store is a proven success
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by Naja_oxiana on July 5, 2001
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It seems to methat most people here have brought up most ofthe negatives involved with keeping venomous species in a commercial establishment. Grumps would be one of the better people to touch on the legal and insurance issues of all this.
Were I do do it, though, I would probably stick with B. gabonica and B. nasicornis, and a few other such snakes which aren't particularly super-fast. I would stay away from all but a handful of Elapids. (Although Aspidelaps and Elapsoidea seem like they could do well as they are not terribly dangerous. THey are burrowers, though.) Likewise I would stay away from Echis, B. arietans and the generally more aggressive snakes. I might consider a D. typus or a Thelotornis, but all that depends on your ability to maintain spaciouis arborial settings.
Just a few of my thoughts on the matter.
Cheers
Roger
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