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IL venomous law - paper
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by vanerka on October 11, 2006
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I was wondering if anyone has any ideas. Im going to be writing an argumentative paper on venomous and other large exotics laws in the state of IL. And about how they should change the laws to allow keeping with a permit. Does anyne have any ideas on how i could go about explaining this. There will also be a presentation on our papers and i was wondering if anyone was local would be willing to make a apperence with a large constrictor. Otherwise i was just gonna bring in my 2ft columbian red tail.
Thanks Eric
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by vanerka on October 11, 2006
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Also if anyone knows how to get these laws changed and who i should contact to do as such. Any info would be greatly appreciated.... Thanks
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by Cro on October 11, 2006
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Eric, take a look at the NCARK website.
There is much information there that you could use in support of reasonable reptile laws in your state.
http://www.ncark.org/
Hope this helps.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Rob_Carmichael on October 11, 2006
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ncarc is a good place. Having lived in Illinois all my life, and, now, running a wildlife center that features many venomous species, and knowing the folks from the IDNR quite well, I think you will have a tough battle. Even if Illinois had a permit process in place, local municipality ordinances would take precedence over state law and I can tell you that most in Illinois would not hesitate in adopting a "no venomous" law even if there was a process in place. Although this is sad, it is what it is. So, your argument will not only look at a statewide permit system through the IDNR, your argument will also need to consider why a local small town village, city, town, etc should provide an opportunity for one of its residents to keep a venomous reptile....that will be a very difficult argument to win. Don't get me wrong, I am all in favor of a permit system as long as it is rock solid and weeds out the lame brains who give our hobby and profession a big black eye. There is another potential problem and that is who will be responsibie for administering the permits and ensuring that everyone is playing by the rules; the costs could be far higher than the revenue generated by the selling of permits. I'll be curious to see what you come up with.
Rob Carmichael, Curator of the Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL
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by rickyduckworth on October 11, 2006
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an argument i wanna use is that it should include large boids along with crocodilians, and that a permit system in place for EVERYTHING could not only generate money for the state but provide a controlled situation to avoid more mishaps, which do involve large boids more often than not.....i may end up getting all our rights revoked, but the boid guys are next anyway
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by vanerka on October 11, 2006
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Good point, but the way the state laws now are really undefined. According to the state of IL, there is no real definition as to what constitutes life threatening. But they consider all venomous snakes, snakes over 6ft and all crocodilians to be "life threatening". If I were to suggest anything the odds are that it would be shot down immediatly by whoever recieves it first. I was just trying to see if there was any way i would be able to get any kind of revision or at least a more defined law as far as what can be owned. I see what your saying Rob but how does Florida regulate theirs. Isnt that all FDNR? Oh and thanks for the site John, I got to look at it a little bit but I only got to skim the surface of what the site has to offer.
Thanks for all the responses.
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by Cro on October 11, 2006
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I have no problem with folks keeping big boids, as I used to keep large African, Indian, and Asian Pythons years ago. As long as you have a helper once the snakes reach 10 to 12 feet in length, you are fairly safe with them. Most deaths to keepers has been from Pythons keepers were working without any help that were working with Pythons or Anacondas in the 14 foot lenght.
As far as Crocodiles, I think the standards should be much higher. Little Crocks are very cute, but they grow rapidly when fed.
Most keepers will be ill-prepared to keep up with the crocks growth. How many keepers have $20,000.00 to build suitable selaria for a crock that has gotten too large for its cage? Not many !
At the AZP I kept many hundreds of juvenile Morlett`s Crocodiles, as well as Dwarf Crocodiles and the Gharial. Any Crocodile you keep will out grow its housing within a few years. Don`t be tempted to purchase that baby Nile Crock at a reptile show. Read ``Eyelids of Morning`` and see just how big they get. Leave Crocodile keeping to the Zoos and Wildlife Parks, as they are not appropriate for the casual keeper.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by Cro on October 11, 2006
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Eric, one thing that you have to realise is that Florida is a special case. At one time, and probably still, there were only two ports in the USA that were equiped to recieve shipments of live animals. One was Miami, and one was New York. All imported animals had to come through one of these ports. Because of the weather, N.Y. did not work very well for this. But Florida had a tropical climate, so animals could be imported all year long. Many of the importers worked both wholesale and retail. So you had many tropical animals coming into reptile wholesalers in Miami, and they would sell them wholesale to zoos, and retail to locals. The laws in Florida came into being because of the ready supply of exotic animals available for sale in that state. We will probably not see other states copy Floridas laws, because those states do not have ports of entry where thousands of animals are coming into the country.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by vanerka on October 11, 2006
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I agree completely. Crocs are a little out ther especially in IL, theres no where to keep em. And in the basement isnt the best place for a 10 to 20 ft croc, or any animal that gets that large. Unless it is a permited and state certified enclosure no one should be able to purchase any kind crocodilian. Another issue is the cash to feed an animal like that. Also the ammount of safty in feeding crocs. I was speaking with a worker at a place called Serpent Safari in Gurnee Mills mall and he was telling me that when they feed the nile crocs they keep on display they use feeding tongs and feed them from several different doors throughout the cage so the animals dont get used to being feed from the same spot all the time. So it goes to show you really need to know what your doing when it comes to crocodilians.
Thanks again.
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