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Breeding Gaboons
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by YoungHerp1 on October 11, 2006
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Hey everyone.
Im going to be breeding my gaboons soon, and im going to try and cross a rhino in there. I was wondeing if you guys could give me a few tips on breeding them. I have plenty of space and everything. I Apriciate it.
~MIke
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by Rob_Carmichael on October 11, 2006
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You may want to check your profile; you have some nice grammatical errors (sorry, that's the teacher inside of me coming out)...."Student" not "sutdent". It's little details like this that make the difference between making a small mistake with hots and making a fatal one; both can lead to 6' under. Anyway, I would encourage you to seriously re-think your breeding efforts. You are 17 and if you have babies, what are you going to do with them? I am not going to get into an argument as I have been quite vocal about young people keeping venomous but all I'll say is rather than putting the time and energy into breeding gabbies (which we already have way too many of in captivity), focus your efforts on a breeding project with a non venomous herp that you can benefit from ($$), and, something that you would find of interest. I realize this will most likely fall on deaf ears but I would hate to see you make a mistake at such a young age. Gabbies are cool but they would be better suited once you have graduated, have your own place, full time job, etc. They are really quite easy to breed, just a little tweeking between wet and dry seasons is all that is necessary and I have known those who just keep their's together year round and they have great success; but these are by adult keepers with quite a few years under their belt. If you are compelled to breed venomous at 17, I would work with something that isn't quite as lethal (small species of rattlesnake like your massasauga).
Good luck though no matter what you decide.
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL
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by YoungHerp1 on October 11, 2006
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The typing error has nothing to do with my keeping of reptiles tho. No offense im just saying. I type fast, and typing doesnt need to be perfect. I take my reptiles very seriously. I never take my eyes off them until there back in the cage, with the lid on ect.. Ive been working with reptiles since i was very young. Its just a passion for me that im going to keep doing. By breeding them it would be an accomplishment and i could make a little money off it. But money isnt important from breeding. Ive turned down some cobra offers and some other hott snakes, because i wasnt ready for them. I am resposible. I Appriciate your concern also. Like i said no hard feelings, i dont want to argue with anyone because you guys realy no what your doing. And youve been doing it for a while. Thanks Alot.
~MIke
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by Cro on October 11, 2006
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Mike, have you bred those Western Massasaugas in captivity yet?
Here is the reason I ask.
Years ago when I worked at AZP I was keeping Large African Rock, Reticulated, Indian, and Blood Pythons and working on breeding them in captivity. I was also keeping and breeding Gaboon Vipers and Rhino Vipers and Puff Adders.
And a very wise Curator of the Zoo I worked at asked me why I was keeping them. And I have to admit that the ``show off factor`` came into play, as well as the idea of making money selling the offspring.
He told me that Eastern Diamond-Back Rattlesnakes had not been bred in captivity at that time, or Eastern Coral Snakes, as well as many, many other local snakes.
I took his advise to heart and sold off the pytons and Puffs. (Kept the Gaboons and Rhinos as they are very kool, but did not worry about breedint them as much).
I started working more with local snakes, and I was the first person to breed Eastern Coral Snakes in captivity. And I published my results in a Herpetological Journal.
It is great that you have the maturity to not get offensive at Rob`s advise. And if you are set on breeding Gaboons, well I wish you the best of luck. You will learn by doing that, and there will be 30 more little Gaboons in the world looking for a home. And you might make some money selling the young at reptile shows.
Just keep in mind that many of the local snakes are very poorly known, and that breeding your Massasaugas could very well be much more significant from a science standpoint than breeding Gaboons. People tend to forget the local snakes, even though many are very poorly known. It is exciting to keep Gaboons or Rhinos and try to breed them. Been there Done That, LOL.
Take a good look at yourself. If you are keeping Gaboons to impress others, then you are keeping them for the wrong reason. If though you are keeping them to learn and gain knowledge, then it is the right reason. Keeping an animal because you can make money on the offspring should never be a reason for keeping that animal.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by YoungHerp1 on October 11, 2006
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Im planning on breeding my westerns soon also. I no what your saying about the local snakes tho. congrats on the corals tho thats awesome. I realy dont take affense to anything unless its realy personal. Like snakes the more knowledge i get the better off i am. People will have there opinion, and i have the same chance of getting bit as much as everyone. I dont think im cool or anything with my age and keeping hots is just my passion, and has been since i was 4 or 5. Its not realy about the money its about learning. I can learn more at home than at school most of the time. lol even tho im in 12th grade. Thanks for your info and everything, and good luck.
Mike
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by snakeguy101 on October 11, 2006
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tell that to the hot- shots at the reptile expo's. a guy was arrested there over a money related brawl, hope he learned his leason
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by tj on October 12, 2006
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"and i have the same chance of getting bit as much as everyone"
Agreed, but being a minor, who will be responsible if you DO get bit?
I know of quite a few keepers that started at a young age, and quite a few that let younger people handle their own hots. But what happens if a bite DOES occur.
Just a little something for the young keepers and experienced mentors to ponder.
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by Cro on October 12, 2006
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Good points Tom!
Hopefully, Mike will take the time to print out bite protacol sheets for Gaboons and Rhinos, and will visit his local hospital and make contact with some of the emergency doctors, and ask them to study the protacols, and find a source for the anitvenin.
Also, hopefully, he will read B.W. Smith`s book ``Venomous Snakes in Captivity,``and develope an bite emergency plan as suggested in the book.
And Mike, you do not have the same chance of getting bitten by a venomous snake as others, as the chance of getting bitten is directly proportional to how carefull you are, and how attentive to details you are, and the types of snakes you are keeping. Hopefully, your chances of getting bitten are much less than those of other keepers who handle snakes in a dangerous way.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by YoungHerp1 on October 12, 2006
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Anyways guys back to Breeding them. Is it better to keep the male and female seperate until they are ready to breed or keep them together. Ive heard of both ways, some by luck and suprise and some being bred unperpose. Thanks for all your help so far. Im going to check MORE about the A.V.
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by Cro on October 13, 2006
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Mike, you will do better keeping them seperate.
When snakes are kept together, there tends to be a ``blending`` of scents from both animals.
When they are kept seperate, and then introduced, it will stimulate excitement in them, because of the new scents and phermones they are experiencing.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards JohnZ
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