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by Phobos on October 10, 2005
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Well...he should of known not to try and kill a snake or catch it by hand...
For the record, 18 Vials of CroFab is the "guidline" max dose. There are times the guidelines have to be over-ridden, this may have been one of those occassions. The record is 58 vials given by Dr. Sean Bush for a Helleri bite, the guy lived.
Al
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by Dadee on October 10, 2005
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Err...ummm, I mean 5 foot Rattlesnake in Gainesville FL...ok, now that I have that down, still sounds like EDB.
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by pygmybait on October 10, 2005
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Before anyone here tries to find fault with what Joe did, they first need to realize that he was trying to remove the snake from an elderly neighbors yard.
The snake hit an artery and that was that.
I knew Joe and am honored to be one of the color guard who will stand for him at the services tomorrow in Palatka.
It is very easy for any of us to say that he should have known better and I can assure you that under any other circumstance, he would have. The story in that article is not entirely accurate but that's the media for you...
Before any of us find fault or point fingers in this situation, please remember that 1) he was bitten because he was trying to help a very frightened eldery person and 2) in the end, it was just a snake and he was a human being. Enough said about that.
And for the record, it was a large Adamanteus, approximately 5 feet in length. Also, Ii thinkthe report of 18 vials of AV is inaccurate.
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by pygmybait on October 10, 2005
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By the way - Al, I know you weren't taking a personal jab at the man. I just wanted to add my part before anyone else came on here and took pot shots.
Hhe really was a great human being and a good man. Joe will be missed.
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by Phobos on October 10, 2005
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Matt:
I was just stating the obvious that we all know to be true. The new article said that "Joe liked to jump in and help". We can all relate to that and getting caught up in the moment. It was just a bad moment to jump in....
It's very sad when a person is bitten by a venomous snake, tragic when they die, this is just such a moment. Everyone here understands that the "EDB was just trying to make a living". The general population does not understand or even tolerate that notion, so it's also sad for the snakes, for more people will kill them on sight, rather than let them live.
Al
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by pygmybait on October 10, 2005
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Al - I hear you man. I think I am still in damage control mode from all of the Monday morning quarter backing going on around here(North Florida). People are so quick to judge. Especially those who would normally have been right there next to him trying to kill the snake for fun. These folks just piss me off, frankly.
On the flip side, your're also going to have the granola eating, tree hugging Eco freaks shouting that he got what he deserved. He was just trying to help a neighbor. I love snakes probably as much as anyone else on this site and definately a great deal more than the average guy but human life is the most important life on this planet, in my humble opinion.
Again, I know that I was probably jumping the gun with my first post in this topic but considering that I know this man on a personal and professional basis, something needed to be said. I hope I didn't ruffle any of my fellow herpers feathers here... I still love you guys :)I just honestly NEVER thought that I'd feel the effects of a fatal snakebite so close to home. It's just not been a good week for Putnam County Fire/Rescue or us here in St. Johns County. We have lost one of our brothers under tragic circumstances.
We are all very proud to have known Joe and are also proud of the fact that he eventually gave his life in an effort to protect that of another human being. He will be sorely missed.
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by Dadee on October 11, 2005
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Matt,
It's always a sad day to lose a brother (even if this is metaphorically). When my Dad died and he took his last ride on the back of a fire truck, the attention and respect shown by his brothers is something that no one can even begin to know the feeling of. Being there while all of these firemen are outside of their stations that are draped in black, dressed in their uniforms, standing at full attention next to the bell to ring out as the fire truck goes past. The only way you can even know what I'm speaking about is if your heart has been there, behind that truck, watching the display for your loved one (or brother in this case). The procession that lasts for miles, cascades the route from one fire house to another, radio silence chills the air, lights flashing with no sound, only to arrive at the final resting place. The honor guard proceeds to the back of the truck to pick up, escort and place the flag draped casket, while bag pipes play Amazing Grace.
Humbling to say the least.
My .02,
Matt
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by Heatseeker on October 17, 2005
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Hi all;
I just wanted to express my deepest sorrow and commiserations for a fellow fallen in the line of duty. Moreover, it looks like he was off-duty when he was called by his neighbour. That makes his action even more admirable.
Regards,
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